Europe's four major powers vowed Saturday to do all they could to prevent Wall Street's turmoil from destabilizing their banking systems - even as a $48 billion plan to save a German lender fell apart.
E U ALSO LIKE U S A SHOULD ANNOUNCE FINANCE PACKAGE FOR E U BANKS TO PREVENT GLOBAL FINANCE CRISIS.
I thought that's what the big Wall Street/Washington DC Bailout package was supposed to do....
"France had mooted a multibillion-dollar EU-wide government bailout plan, but backed off after Germany said banks must find their own way out."
It would seem that the Voice Of "We The People" has an influence on EU politics. The People of the US of A voiced a "Not Bail Out" action. Germany is simply following the grass roots expressions voiced in the United States. The Voice of the People of the EU is silent.
The introduction of the Euro produced a 40% loss of its purchasing/spending power. ..Silent waters run deep...Is Europe in worst shape than the US?
Your claim about the euro does not make sense. Prices did not go up by 40% in the euro zone.
Krishna, you have a choice between a Free Market Economy and a Government controlled economy.
Models of Gov. Controlled Economies are Socialism and Communism and Dictatorships. The Reality shows that the top of these societies are living the life of the biggest capitalist while the masses stand in line for a loaf of bread.
In a Free Market Economy the parties find their own solutions to their self-inflicted situations.
If government must control your loaf of bread; as is the case in Europe these days; every behaviour of the bakeries in the EU is now controlled by EU regulations thereby doing away with centuries of native/local customs people used to enjoy.
If the dullness of monotony and an apathetic society with a zombie herd mentality is your objective then you let Government bail out the mismanagement of the private sector(aka free markets) with taxpayers money, - cause somebody has to pay the bills - you then pay more taxes and you enslave your masses a bit more.
All the social progress made by the baby boomers generation during the 1950s -60s - 70s is systematically being shattered. Ever asked why the UN - EU is working so hard to return “We the People” to the industrial slavery days where poverty and illiteracy filled up the bank accounts of the religious institutions who still enjoy TAX FREE Status!
One would have hoped the progress produced by what was then called “First World” would have influenced positively the “Third World.” It appears to be the exact opposite: “First world” is turned into a Third World hellhole.
Mankind is such a great species!
ELI
TO RUN THE COUNTRIES ,YOU CAN HAVE DIFFERENT POLITICAL SYSTEMS BUT TO RUN THE ECONOMIES, YOU REQVIRED TO HAVE SINGLE ECONOMIC SYSTEM FOR THE WORLD WHAT I CALL IS SOCIALISTIC CAPITALISM WHERE GOVERNMENT HAS TO PROVIDE FREE FOOD TO POOR AND ALLOW MARKETS TO PERFORM WITH EFFECTIVE CONTROLS.IN 21ST CENTURY, ECONOMIES ARE WORKING ON GLOBAL TRENDS. SO ,YOU CAN NOT HAVE CLOSED ECONIMIES. FOR EXAMPLE, MY INDIA WITH 1100 MILLION PEOPLE WITH 4PERCENT WORLD LAND AREA ARE LIVING IN A DEMOCRACY FOR THE LAST 60 YEARS WITH ADOPTION OF SOCIALISTIC CAPITALISM.WE HAVE WORLD RICHEST PEOPLE, COMPANIES AND WORLD POOREST PEOPLE BUT OUR SAVING RATE IS 20 PERCENT. OUR ECONOMY HAS NOT GROWN LIKE PURE CAPITALIST COUNTRY OR COMMUNIST CHINA. BUT OUR COUNTRY IS LIVING PEACEFULLY BECAUSE OF EFFECTIVE CONTROLS AND PEOPLE BY NATURE ARE PEACEFUL. THE GOVERNMENT ,GOVERNMENT COMPANIES,PRIVATE COMPANIES,FOREIGN COMPANIES ALL HAVE A ROLE IN ANY COUNTRY IN 21ST CENTURY GLOBAL ECONOMY. BANKS SHOULD FUNCTION ON BUSINESS PRINCIPLES AND SHOULD NOT PROVIDE 100 PERCENT AS LOAN TO ALL THE PEOPLE LIKE POLITICIAN FREE PROMISESS IN DEMOCRACY . CHINA politically COMMUNIST COUNTRY BUT ECONOMICALLY ADOPTED SOCIALISTIC CAPITALISM IN 1980s AND ECONOMICALLY GROWN NUMBER ONE COUNTRY IN THE WORLD WITH MASSIVE INDUSTRIALISATION AND PRODUCTION OF MANY ITEMS AT LESS COST DUE TO POLITICAL DESCIPLINE AND LABOR PRODUCTIVITY. ALL THE WORLD CASH IS ONLY WITH CHINA, RUSSIA AND OPEC.
HI; YOU HAVE BANG ON IDEAS ABOUT DEMOCRACY , AND HOW TO RUN COUNTRIES AND ,AS YOU SAY WE HAVE RATHER COUNTRIES, WHERE WE HAVE PEACE AND FREEDOM TO EXPRESS OURSELVES AS MANY COUNTRIES DO NOT MANY ARE RUN BY CORRUPT DICTATORS WHO LOOT THE TREASURY FOR THEIR OWN BENEFIT AND THEIR CRONIES
SO WE ARE VERY FORTUNE INDEED
GARY GRAHAM
SASKATOON SASK CANADA THE WOLF
ELI
Yes, introduction of EURO,creation many countries from U S S R and their currencies,fixed exchange rates following by many countries have eroded the purchasing power of many countries .21st century calls for single global currency and all the national currency values have to be refixed based on the formula to have real values of currencies. we reqvire global organisation for finance to control all the central banks and frame global regulations to deal global finance transactions for healthy world finance sector.
GERMANY IS VERY RIGHT INDEED, LET THE BANKS FIND THEIR OWN WAY OUT, AS MANY OF THEIR CEOS
CAUSED THE DEBACLE AND SHOUD NOT BE REWARDED FOR DOING SO(MAKING BAD DECISIONS)
GARY GRAHAM
SASKATOON SASK CANADA
EMAIL GARYWGRAHAM@SASKTEL.NET
Instead of the bailout in this good old U.S. of A, they should have froze the assets of the CEOs, prosecuted them on the fraud they committed, sold the assets and returned the money to the treasury without haveing to tax us for their immoral acts or sink us into unbelievable debt. The decision to stand by and watch your 401K sink, rather than rolling it over into lower interest IRA is yours to make. Wall street is nothing but legalized gambling for the rich with retirement funds anyway. Same as going to a casino with your savings, you lose you pay. I again believe the Democratic and Republican parties are both responsible for this mess. As you plainly saw it is the Congress and the Senate so called representatives of the people of our nation who turned on us and voted us into debt it will take generations to pay back. If we don't control our representative's actions thru recall or voting for the person, not the party, then it's our own fault for handing over the reins to them. This nation has surcumbed to greed, pure and simple, and some of the greediest sit in our Congress. Use your vote to clean house or lose your rights, simple as that. Whoever is elected President, if they don't perform in the best interest of this nation, that is why impeachment was implemented. If your representatives are ignoring your you, then recall them or vote them out. To sit and complain on a web site is easy, they depend on the fact that people will not take the time or energy required to remove them, and so far they seem to be winning the bluff.
It was just a few weeks a go that the European and English newspapers and "knowledgeable" business people were saying that this time would be different for the world. The USA had diminished so much in power and the dollar was so weak that whatever happened in the US would not spill over to the rest of the world. After all, the world now had China and India etc and they would hold things together for the world economy. Now everything is being blamed on the US and further......the Germans today pointed out that the US had failed and leadership would now pass on to the enlightened capitalists and away from the "cowboys". So who is the world economic leader now goin to be.....the EU, Germany, France. Yeah sure...they are so pathetic as to not even merit mention.
The US will move on from this crisis in whatever way is neccessary but one thing is sure.....it will be dealt with and quickly.
Let the EU continue to worry about regulating strictly the shape, contents and pricing of a loaf of bread.
This whole fiasco is a pigs breakfast! I may be wrong, but I cannot believe that HYPO going down the tubes in Germany or HBOS in the UK (Lloyds came in) was due solely to purchasing pools of sub-prime mortgages made in the US. If that is the case their business model was doomed from the beginning! Seems to me their problems stem from organic growth of questionable loans in their country of origin. If not, then how many trillions of $ in sub-prime loans were made in the US and sold round the world?
Clearly, many of the mid-level and senior level executives in the banks and mortgage companies are completely incompetent in measuring credit risks, (not to mention our so-called political leaders) but if they get to keep their jobs they will either continue to do what they do best, i.e. abuse the financial system and taxpayers, or they will do nothing, i.e. credit freeze. Take your pick!
Apparently the Asian banks didn't jump into the sub-prime pools the way other banks did. What did they see in the risk that others didn't?
Well, those Asian banks had their crisis in 1997 which may have acted to encourage more sober behavior.
Nonetheless, Asian state-owned funds have been some of the biggest investors in American assets, including sub-prime mortgages. China was one of Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae's biggest creditors.
As long as Americans keep voting the same people to Congress every time they come up for re-election, and continue to buy foreign goods, things will only get worse.
If Americans boycott foreign goods maybe Americas manufacturing base would return, even American cars are made in Canada and Mexico.
Buy American.
Mercantilism is so 17th century. Boycotting foreign goods will only make the crisis worse for Americans: the prices of goods will go up, and credit will become even more expensive. The American manufacturing base will not and should not return. Focus on doing the things that America is good at: high-end services, technology and the like.
Mercantilism is so 17th century.
How blase.
The American manufacturing base will not and should not return.
And your reasoning behind this is?
Focus on doing the things that America is good at: high-end services, technology and the like.
How about Americans that don't have the ability or education to handle high-end services and technology. What exactly do you consider "the like"?
the prices of goods will go up, and credit will become even more expensive.
And the price of goods hasn't gone up and credit hasn't become even more expensive and we don't have a huge trade deficit?
Countries benefit from trade by specialising in goods and service that they can produce at comparatively low cost. They can then buy goods from other countries that would have cost more than if they produced it themselves. David Ricardo already knew this in 1817.
How about Americans that don't have the ability or education to handle high-end services and technology. What exactly do you consider "the like"?
The like: aerospace, telecommunications, complex software services, etc. etc. Economies transform, it's part of the development process. Do you really think that Americans should return to producing t-shirts and jeans?
Yes, some people will not benefit. They should receive training, or else compensation. But here's the deal: the overall economy is better off, even if those who lose out are completely compensated. But it's not globalisation's fault if they are not: that's a government's responsibility.
And the price of goods hasn't gone up and credit hasn't become even more expensive and we don't have a huge trade deficit?
You ignored the words 'even more'. Stop importing goods and you will be able to consume 20% less than you do now. Have fun.
David Ricardo already knew this in 1817.
David Ricardo also forecast an economic stagnation in predicting a working class uprising. When Capitalism erodes its own underpinnings the resulting misery will bring on social strife and revolution.
David Ricardo did not espouse moving Englands’ industrial base off shore and out sourcing jobs.
Do you really think that Americans should return to producing t-shirts and jeans?
Yes I do. They should also so produce footware, socks, dress shirts, slacks, suits, toys, etc. etc.
When you deprive people of the means to earn a living those people will not be able to cosume goods other then basic necessities. Do you really think that this will not cause a hike in prices to produce a desired profit margin?
aerospace, telecommunications, complex software services, etc. etc. Economies transform, it's part of the development process.
So far it has put us in debt to the tune of $12 trillion and growing.
Have fun with your Globalization.
The U.S. debt is due to both irresponsible spending by Big Government Republicans and unsustainable consumption by households. Don't blame globalization for your debt. It's not my fault that you have negative saving rates.
When you deprive people of the means to earn a living those people will not be able to cosume goods other then basic necessities. Do you really think that this will not cause a hike in prices to produce a desired profit margin?
All in all, U.S. unemployment did not increase since WWII, when globalization took off (again). We're not talking about depriving people from basic necessities. Incomes went up, productivity went up, and consumption went up. Prices for U.S. consumers have gone down exactly because of globalization: t-shirts are produced much more cheaply in China than in the U.S. America can specialise in those technology-intensive goods, trade some of them for Chinese t-shirts, and be better off as a result. If not everyone benefits, then it's up to them to hold their government accountable. Not to shut off the U.S. from the rest of the world. You need us, and we need you.
Don't blame globalization for your debt. It's not my fault that you have negative saving rates.
Wrong and wrong, I am debt free and very frugal.
Last year China purchased Americas largest manufacturer of washers and dryers, they already manufacture TVs, stereos, cell phones, iPods, clothing, footwear, toys, textiles, cars, etc. etc.
And you thought they just made Chinese t-shirts.
David Ricardos' theory of wages and profit may have worked in 1817 England. But in today’s World when the American manufacturing base moves off shore for cheap labor, causing a loss of American jobs, and then have the audacity to send goods that could have been manufactured here in America, back to America, for Americans to purchase. It doesn't work.
Globalization and the New World Order are one and the same Two Faced Beast.
I didn't mean you personally. "Saving rates" implies economy-wide. But good for you that you are debt-free.
I know China makes more than t-shirts. Just as well, it allows America to specialise even more in producing what it's good at. The division of labour will be ever-changing. In the Netherlands we used to have many people working in the peat industry and the clothing industry. That has changed, and guess what: it didn't increase unemployment. Why? Because employment in other, more productive industries grew. The same thing is happening in America and in every other country that opens up to trade. There is no net job loss. And I fully realise that this process is painful for some. That's why we have an effective social security system (the same is true for other countries that are highly trade-dependent).Please don't bring New World Order conspiracies into this discussion. I'm happy to discuss those with you (and tell you why I believe they are wrong), but perhaps on the basis of an article or seed by you.
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