Killings turn focus on S.F. sanctuary law

Yea well ..............Don't cry to the nation lady . Cry to your friends and neighbors - The majority of them voted for the people in office who made SF a sanctuary city .The Majority of the Voters in SF brought you your undocumented neighbors ..

I understand why our founding fathers put the clause in our constitution prohibiting "cruel and unusual punishment." The dungeons and torture chambers in Europe were still fresh in their minds. It has also been proved that the "death penalty" is NOT a deterrent, except that it does prevent that ONE SOB from victimizing anyone else. There is a cheap and simple solution to the problem of catch and release (on parole) and have more victims, but we would have to enact a law that says in the case of brutal, cold blooded murder, as in the San Francisco incident, NO punishment is considered "cruel or unusual." You take the killer, place his hands on an anvil and turn them into ground meat and bones with a large hammer. Then do the same to his kneecaps. Then drag him before a judge who would inform him of the following, "Your sentence has been imposed and carried out. Your name is in all the welfare program computer banks. Don't bother asking for ANY public handouts. You are free to go and have a nice life." Except for maybe scamming people over a telephone that man, or woman, would be through with committing crimes. Violent, deadly ones anyway. And taxpayers would not have to spend 100s of 1000s supporting the vermin in prison. There is one more upside. Every time that kind of sentence was carried out at least 1000 snivelling, knee-jerk California liberals would die of apoplexy.

Newsome has got to be one of the biggest idiots around. Sitting there, saying how he will ignore the
country's laws....GET RID OF HIM. Also, I'd like to see his views if his wife or family members are killed next....

Thank you to Bill O'Reily who broke this story awhile back... typical that MSDNC (MSNBC) pretty much ignores the news for a month, and then reports a 'perspective' angle; they regularly ignore real news that falls outside of a narrow agenda.

Gee - SF is where gun-toting Senator Diane Feinstein and her anti-gun cronies are.

Illegal alien with a AK-47, so much for your anti-gun laws BS. Your stupid laws protected this criminal
and gave him sanctuary.

Time to get rid of bad politicians!

It's going to get to the point where the Vigilantees are going to return. Frankly, at this point, anyone without a record in Frisco should immediately be issued with a concealed weapons permit. Let MS-13 worry about getting shot in the back for looking the wrong way at someone. This is an issue of saving what we have left, and letting our great grandchildren go forward from that point, because that's how long the fix will take.

It is my opinion that the San Francisco District Attorney, Kamila Harris is directly responsible for this latest murder, and she should be held accountable,as well as the entire District Attorney's office, & sued by the victims' families. Maybe she & her cronies should go to the electric chair too, for allowing that murderous illegal immigrant to go free, so he could kill again as he just did. I say it is her fault, the city council's fault, and the mayor's fault. Then, all citizens who support that damn"Sanctuary City" should go on record, including those liberal, leftist priests, and be held liable and responsible also! "String 'em up----hang them high!"

I hope you San Franciscans keep your sanctuary city laws - - God forbid if you abolish them - people like that would venture outside their sanctuary and AFFECT PEOPLE WHO DIDN'T INVITE THEM HERE !!!!!!!!!!!

"The case has garnered national attention, leading U.S. Rep. Tom Tancredo, R-Colo., and an anti-immigration group called Californians for Population Stabilization..." Are they really anti-immigration or is this group anti-ILLEGAL immigration. Just another example of biased/poor journalism.

I THINK WE SHOULD GO BACK TO THE WILD WEST DAYS AND TAKE CARE OF THIS PROBELM OURSELVES. THE GOVERNMENT DONT CARE. IT IS NOT THERE FAMILIES BEING MURDERED, RAPED AND GOD ONLY KNOWS WHAT ELSE. OUR GOVERNMENT DONT GIVE A DAMN ABOUT THE REAL US CITIZENS OR SOMETHING WOULD HAVE ALREADY BEEN DONE ABOUT THIS. WE NEED TO TAKE CARE OF THE PROBLEM OURSELVES IT IS THE ONLY WAY WE CAN DEAL WITH THEM. OUR GOVERNMENT GIVES THEM FEDERAL WIC MONEY FOR THEIR ILLEGAL ASSES AND THEIR ILLEGAL KIDS. THIS HAS TO STOP. WE NEED TO QUITE PAYING TAXES UNTIL THE FOOLS IN WASHINGTON HEAR US. THAT IS ALL THEY CARE ABOUT IS THE "MONEY".

Gavin Newsome and the rest of San Francisco's city leaders should be in jail. Also, until San Francisco starts obeying Federal laws, they should have any and all Federal dollars taken away. The people of San Francisco voted these morons into office, they need to vote them out of office. If they don't, they deserve whatever they get.

Gavin Newsome and the rest of the city leaders should be in jail. Also, until San Francisco starts obeying Federal laws, any and all Federal aid should be taken away. The people of San Francisco voted these morons into office, they need to vote them out. If they don't, they deserve whatever they get.

The SF personnel are at fault, but didn't they try to get the Feds to take this guy at least once and the Feds refused?

Our Mayor in Phoenix, Phil Gordon, and the Mayors of the surrounding towns, are all of the Kalifornicator
ilk. Sheriff Joe goes after illegals, the city governments whine about it. It's really all just bull@!$%#. Our police officers are being killed, women are raped, illegals, criminals the minute they stepped over our border, are running the show. Things are going to get worse before they get better. This @!$%# has been festering for decades. The Feds do nothing, local governments point to the Feds. What a load of crap we citizens are being fed, on tortillas no less!!

I hope that girly-boy mayor of yours has an M -16 shoved up his ass and the whole clip emptied. He would most likely enjoy the insertion in his ass but the clip being emptied might be the saving grace of a totally freaky, loony, amoral culture. When the BIG one hit and all of you faux intellects sink to the bottom, if you can sink any lower, the USA and the whole world will be a better place. May you all freeze in hell!

San Fran and the cities around have been do this for along time. I lived in this area for a while during the Charles Manson thing, I was hit on head for my wedding ring and that kid got off and I was 8 months along with my first boy. By the way this boy was only 12 and did this to get a gang. My state also is considered a safe state for these people. I don't know what the whole answer is but we need to make the government listen to us. Yes ICE is getting people but in small groups, this needs to change. If you arrest immigrants and find they illegal and belong to a gang they should be sent home. We need to get these gangs out too but that will be harder to do but they have officials in their pockets but if we stay the course we can at least put a hole in them. We need to hold employers who hire illegals accountable and hit them where it hurts in the pocket book. The next thing or maybe the it should be the first thing is to get rid of the anc hor ba bies, these just keep having kids so we have illegals with 5 plus kids for America to take care of. As I said I don't know what the answer is but something has to done. Just my 2 cents.

The saddest thing about this case is that the innocent people of this city are becoming victims of crimes that could and should be prevented the justice system. There seems to be no benefit to keeping a law that protects gang members and illegal immigrants, and now that it is hurting the legal citizens, maybe something will be done about it and this law removed without other innocent bystanders becoming caught in the middle of more gang violence.

"Nathan Ballard, a spokesman for San Francisco's mayor, said city officials were wrong to shield undocumented, juvenile felons from federal immigration authorities.

"The sanctuary program was never intended to shield felons," Ballard said. "The policy was inappropriate."

Can you believe this crap? THE POLICY WAS INAPPROPRIATE - DUH!!!!! Why on earth would anyone think they were supposed to shield felons from deportation? Now you see alot of blaming and finger-pointing - "it's THEIR fault, they were the ones that misunderstood the policy!" Oh, I don't think so, the Mayor's office knew about the policy, HE was the one that started it in the first place. California got rid of a lousy, do-nothing Governor, San Francisco should start a petition to get rid of an incompetent, federal law-ignoring Mayor who is more interested in protecting "undocumented but otherwise law-abiding citizens" than in the "documented," legal, we-were-born-here variety. How many more of the legal variety of citizens have to die before this moron gets it? Is he really that stupid?????

And why would the officials who are meant to keep the law pass a law enforcing the breaking of a law??

My personal favorite argument is the "no instant solution" defense for open borders advocates.

Here's a problem that has grown over the past several decades. I mean, I grew up in Arizona, and there was little if any illegal alien problem 40 years ago. These days, it's rampant.

It has taken quite some time for the right combinations of employers willing to circumvent the high cost of employing fellow citizens, social programs willing to offer benefits, advocacy groups able to offer advice and training on bilking the system, commercial interests willing to pander exclusively to them in their native language, and local governments willing to flaunt federal laws and promise safety from prosecution for breaking in...

Yet we're told the problem can't be fixed because:

You can't instantly deport millions of people! - Well, who said instantly? How about deport the ones you know about, or deport as many as is feasible then move to the next.

Entire industries will crash! - Um... no... doubt that losing 13% of farm workers OVER TIME would kill the industry. Besides, if you argue that you can't deport all of them at once, how can you argue that WE'LL DEPORT THEM ALL AT ONCE????

Our economy will be destroyed! - Again, with the instant deportations... but seriously, I suspect any benefit of having illegal labor in the economy that is lost will be offset by the billions upon billions of dollars NOT being wired out of the country.

All those taxes will be lost! - Err... what planet do you live on? Maybe if there weren't withholding deductions, or payments under the table, then your average illegal alien might actually be paying his share of the tax. As it stands, a little social security and a little sales tax, maybe... more than compensated for by employers hiring legal citizens who actually PAY their income taxes.

Now, I will admit, it will take some time for industries which have been forcibly taken over by non-natives to swing back around. I've heard plenty of stories of people trying to do seasonal farm work, construction, or food service jobs and basically being intimidated and harassed off the job by illegal aliens. If we pushed the magic no-aliens button, there might be a few months with a McDonald's labor shortage...

On the other hand, so what? The problem grew over decades, the solution probably will take nearly as long. However, just because a solution is not instant, does not mean we shouldn't push as hard as we can to reverse the trend, and start the flow of aliens OUT of the country, rather than in.

Bill O'Reilly had this story and the victim's widow 2 nights ago on the Factor!! Where was MSNBC then, showing Keith Olbermann spouting anti-Republican hyperbole??

What do any of these people in SF that are shocked think? You reward a criminal and give them every advantage LEGAL citizens get and most of the time BETTER and you think they are going to change??? No they are going to push it further and further, why shouldn't they its a free ride for them and the stupid taxpayers (us) are paying for it. I think these type of people (gang bangers) should all be taken out in a public place and shot, sorry that may sound horrible but why should the innocent be subjected to their "gang banger" mentality that as far as I've seen means no value for a human life. When did the value of a life become less than nothing?

Bill O'Reilly had this story including the victim's widow on "The Factor" 2 nights ago!

Where was MSNBC then, letting Keith Olbermann spout anti-Republican rhetoric like he does every night??

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I am with you...we have to start somewhere and I think most citizens would be willing to wait 10 years to be rid of the illegals, I would. I welcome ANYONE who migrates here LEGALLY, but those who don't should be deported and are not entitled to ANYTHING except a ride back to where they came from.

This is the doing of GAVIN NEWSOM and the total naivete and failure of his radical liberal politics and view of the world ...

San Francisco a deportation sanctuary? Right ...

It's politically incorrect to say so but I'm saying it.

Newsom's scarred homosexual worldview puts him at odds with standard commonsensical safeguards, standards, mores and law. There's obviously nothing wrong with being homosexual. But a SCARRED homosexual? You basically have the equivalent of a Jesse Jackson who was scarred some time back is now a passe overly defensive racially oriented human rights activist misapplying outdated mores.

A good example is how Newsom would like to redefine marriage which has always been and is generally agreed upon that it's a union between MAN and WOMAN. Newsom sees any resistance to that as the most evil affront to human rights. So much so it driven him to hysterics. And it's this hysterics that has evidently bled into San Francisco immigration legislation.

Newsom, being the oppressed human rights champion in his own mind he is, is championing the immigration rights of illegal murderers and felons holding them in the same light as legal, law abiding citizens.

Newsom is a human rights activist that focuses on the rights of the fringe at the expense of the rights of the good majority.

And so, San Francisco suffers ...